Plates problem

[augy]

Hi , I think iIposted to the wrong heading ,, I have a thirteen plate sell that I have just made .It works great exceptthe water discolors when the + ,- terminals go under water,then there is a blue green almost foam comes off it and water discolors,brown to green,eventually clogging between plates,any help is good help...Craig

[EddieRock]

What are your plates made out of? They should be SS 316

What are you using for electrolyzer? To avoid discoloration of the water, try using vinigar as your electrolyzer. Baking Soda produces discoloration of the water in the HHO generator to a brown color.

How many amps does your HHO Generator pull? Does it get too hot? You may want to build two smaller ones in series to reduce amps, reduce temp and increase HHO production.

EddieRock

[razorback]

ed is rite.i had a 15 plate cell and it pulled so many amps the wires almost melted.cut it in half and works just fine.going to build another 9 plate and put it in series as ed said.would seem to me that putting them in series would double your amp pull but we will see!!

[FuelFox]

It seems a very good idea to split your HHO generator, especially when it gets too hot and draws a lot of Amps!

When you make 2 units, each will have a voltage drop, which is not the same as a resistance, but it sure "feels" like more resistance to the battery, when you wire them in series. The result of wiring things in series is generally a reduction in current, just like with resistors.

I have performed a lot of electrolysis experiments in another context (as a chemistry and physics teacher and lab-technician) and I wonder how you are going to keep the plates free of corrosion, deposits and pollution. The ones that really lasted long were the platinum electrodes I used in a Hoffman setup, basically also a generator for hydrogen and oxygen, although they come out separately and in small quantities, because the electrodes are quite small...

It is probably a bit too expensive to build a HHO generator with large platinum plates, I understand that SS316 is a kind of stainless steel? I still have to make start in HHO, but I hope I can obtain some results and maybe improve some things or help others with ideas.
Right now I am in the Philippines, driving a conventional Diesel car, though I hope to stay longer in the US next year and "HHO" my gasoline car.

Fox

[EddieRock]

Right now I am in the Philippines, driving a conventional Diesel car, though I hope to stay longer in the US next year and "HHO" my gasoline car.

FuelFox,

First of all, WELCOME!! Nice to have a highly educated member of our forum! I hope you stay and share your knowledge with the rest of us!

HHO Generators work just as well on Diesel cars. As a matter of fact, you can install a HHO kit on a lawn mower if you want

I'm going to put a HHO Kit in my boat but it will be hard to tell the increase in fuel economy as there is no way to test "MPG" in a boat

EddieRock

[FuelFox]

Hello EddieRock and all other folks;

That's sure what I want, share the knowledge and experience about HHO.

There is no special place for introductions, but maybe it's good to tell a little bit about my situation. I am originally from the Netherlands, but I stay most of the time in the Philippines now I am retired.
Now last year our sons have moved to Florida and we (my spouse and me) like the climate there, so we will probably move there begin March next year.

I was planning to start with HHO on my Toyota REVO (a bit like an older Highlander) 2.4L diesel, a very reliable and straightforward engine, that runs now at 24 mpg, mixed city and highway.

When in the US I want to do the same for my 2007 Chrysler PT Cruiser, if the results from the Toyota are encouraging.

Now here is my problem, I would be willing to buy a manual from Bob or another good one, but it may be difficult to get all the right stuff he describes from shops in the Phils...

So I want to know a little more about it, to see if the hardware can easily be changed a little, using the stuff I can buy here.

Another thought that came to me, is that Bob (and others) present the HHO technology as rather simple, so that the average Joe can tinker it together, although somewhere I also saw the advice to get help, maybe from some Smart Alec kid, a nephew or so...

Now after reading in the forum it seems to me that it is all still quite experimental, not that very easy and prone to problems. Problems of the kind that would be too much for the average Joe who just wants to drive and save...

For me it's a little of everything. I would like to save fuel and do something good for the environment. At the same time I am interested in technology. In my past I worked in electronics, a laboratory, as a designer/builder of physical instruments and later, after some more study, I have been teaching physics and electronics in college in Amsterdam.

Fuel Fox

[event-horizon]

Hello there, the fact that the information on HHo is "open source" aids to insure that it will stay that way and will be considered "experimental" and remain that way for quite some time. It is up to people like yourself ( and myself and others) to continue to "experiment" and fine tune its application. As mentioned before it is very easy to get off the track and lose focus of the objective. Take care and good luck in your venture ( mine has been very rewarding , the fact that not only do I save monies but also help clean the air we breath). E-H

[terryao61]

FuelFox: Nice to meet you, my name is terry,
The E-Book from Bob is a must, it is very well done. Buying the mannual will open the members area, you can then download the SHOPING LIST then. If you cant find some of the stuff you need in the country your in Bob have full kits, and parts that you can order from him. ITs worth it bud, hope this helps good luck terry

[LHazleton]

Hi , I think iIposted to the wrong heading ,, I have a thirteen plate sell that I have just made .It works great exceptthe water discolors when the + ,- terminals go under water,then there is a blue green almost foam comes off it and water discolors,brown to green,eventually clogging between plates,any help is good help...Craig

Augy,
The green foam is most likely your copper wires dissolving. Also, you're probably using baking soda and a cheap version of stainless steel. Plates should be 304L or 316L. The L is 'low carbon'. Anything else is a waste of time. Be sure that you use only distilled water, and instead of baking soda, use Potassium Hydroxide. It's only about 8 bucks for a half gallon at Home Depot.
Lee